From rw at rlworkman.net  Fri Feb 12 02:06:46 2010
From: rw at rlworkman.net (Robby Workman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:06:46 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting :/
Message-ID: <20100211200646.5fc78681@liberty.rlwhome.lan>

Crap.  I forgot about meeting tonight :/

Did anyone actually remember and show up??

-RW
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From cameron.purvis at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 03:07:33 2010
From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:07:33 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting :/
In-Reply-To: <20100211200646.5fc78681@liberty.rlwhome.lan>
References: <20100211200646.5fc78681@liberty.rlwhome.lan>
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I totally spaced out.  After a tiring day I went home and ate half a
baquette.  Probably not the responsible thing to do.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Robby Workman <rw at rlworkman.net> wrote:
> Crap. ?I forgot about meeting tonight :/
>
> Did anyone actually remember and show up??
>
> -RW
>
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
>

From wrmilling at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 03:15:28 2010
From: wrmilling at gmail.com (Winston Milling)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:15:28 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting :/
In-Reply-To: <22e6c2171002111907l59afb761yc8a1ecb24167478c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100211200646.5fc78681@liberty.rlwhome.lan>
	<22e6c2171002111907l59afb761yc8a1ecb24167478c@mail.gmail.com>
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I have not even seen activity here in a long time. I always figured there
would be mention here if a meeting was actually taking place.


On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Cameron Purvis <cameron.purvis at gmail.com>wrote:

> I totally spaced out.  After a tiring day I went home and ate half a
> baquette.  Probably not the responsible thing to do.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Robby Workman <rw at rlworkman.net> wrote:
> > Crap.  I forgot about meeting tonight :/
> >
> > Did anyone actually remember and show up??
> >
> > -RW
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUXaloosa mailing list
> > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
> >
> >
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From rw at rlworkman.net  Fri Feb 12 04:09:36 2010
From: rw at rlworkman.net (Robby Workman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:09:36 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting :/
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References: <20100211200646.5fc78681@liberty.rlwhome.lan>
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:15:28 -0600
Winston Milling <wrmilling at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have not even seen activity here in a long time. I always figured
> there would be mention here if a meeting was actually taking place.


That's probably a safe assumption :-)

-RW
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From studean at comicnet.net  Fri Feb 12 15:10:24 2010
From: studean at comicnet.net (Stewart Dean)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:10:24 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Web design opinions requested
Message-ID: <4B756F60.9020407@comicnet.net>

Are there any web designers for hire on this list?  I've never had to 
charge to build a website, so I'm wondering what's reasonable.  I'm 
looking at a 37-page Joomla! site, content to be provided and maintained 
by the client, but the designer may have to copy/paste it in place the 
first time.  "Store-bought" templates are fine, but the template may 
have to be altered slightly if it doesn't meet client specification.

What kind of price and time frame are we looking at here?

Stu

From cameron.purvis at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 15:24:33 2010
From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:24:33 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Web design opinions requested
In-Reply-To: <4B756F60.9020407@comicnet.net>
References: <4B756F60.9020407@comicnet.net>
Message-ID: <22e6c2171002120724t75bc5950ia40c0db6e7ed84f5@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to know this also.  Are you going to have ongoing support in
there, aka retainer or hourly revision charges?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Dean <studean at comicnet.net> wrote:
> Are there any web designers for hire on this list? ?I've never had to charge
> to build a website, so I'm wondering what's reasonable. ?I'm looking at a
> 37-page Joomla! site, content to be provided and maintained by the client,
> but the designer may have to copy/paste it in place the first time.
> ?"Store-bought" templates are fine, but the template may have to be altered
> slightly if it doesn't meet client specification.
>
> What kind of price and time frame are we looking at here?
>
> Stu
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>

From studean at comicnet.net  Fri Feb 12 15:48:01 2010
From: studean at comicnet.net (Stewart Dean)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:48:01 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Web design opinions requested
In-Reply-To: <22e6c2171002120724t75bc5950ia40c0db6e7ed84f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B756F60.9020407@comicnet.net>
	<22e6c2171002120724t75bc5950ia40c0db6e7ed84f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B757831.1040701@comicnet.net>

Probably a token hourly charge for support rather than a retainer...  
Though SEO might warrant a small retainer, if available.

On 2/12/2010 9:24 AM, Cameron Purvis wrote:
> I'd like to know this also.  Are you going to have ongoing support in
> there, aka retainer or hourly revision charges?
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Dean<studean at comicnet.net>  wrote:
>    
>> Are there any web designers for hire on this list?  I've never had to charge
>> to build a website, so I'm wondering what's reasonable.  I'm looking at a
>> 37-page Joomla! site, content to be provided and maintained by the client,
>> but the designer may have to copy/paste it in place the first time.
>>   "Store-bought" templates are fine, but the template may have to be altered
>> slightly if it doesn't meet client specification.
>>
>> What kind of price and time frame are we looking at here?
>>
>> Stu
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUXaloosa mailing list
>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>
>>      
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
>    

From leprkhn at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 17:40:59 2010
From: leprkhn at gmail.com (Erik Hanson)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Web design opinions requested
In-Reply-To: <4B757831.1040701@comicnet.net>
References: <4B756F60.9020407@comicnet.net>
	<22e6c2171002120724t75bc5950ia40c0db6e7ed84f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B757831.1040701@comicnet.net>
Message-ID: <6f62da071002120940k3b1068cp931ab4e06ba39870@mail.gmail.com>

take a look at what other joomla freelancers are charging and take it from
there:
http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/by-job/Joomla.html

I have done some Joomla work (I absolutely love joomla - but you already
seem sold on it, so i wont gush) for a few places/people in town. I always
feel bad charging some of the fees that I have seen on-line (one place
wanted to charge $200 to apply a template (!?!)), and wind up going for a
cheap hourly rate (these are friends/acquaintances we are talking about here
- not just businesses that contacted my for my (cough) expertise). I enjoy
the work; and, lets admit, Joomla's not a difficult bit of labor.

that being said, this is what pricing has looked like to me in the past:

setup (ftp to host, setup mysql, initial config): $100 - $200

apply a template: $50 - $150 - this should include searching for the right
template on site-ground/joomla.de/joomla-templates.com/etc, making sure it's
what the customer wants, and tweaking accordingly. If i find myself having
to spend more than two hours scrolling through a poorly structured (or in a
foreign language) style sheet the price moves towards the high end.

per page cost:
    copy/paste - $3 - $10/page (should depend on how much work you have to
do to make that copy/paste work. one time i had a person email me 10 docx
files and tell me they wanted their site to look *exactly* like those
documents... colors fonts and all. I felt that i had to include the many
email communications in which i told them that this was, in fact, not what
they wanted, in the per-page-price).
     custom content - can you put a price on the creation of content that
you cannot call it your own? some people think you can. I no longer make
custom content because I've found that many people don't find my sense of
humor appropriate. instead, if they have no content of their own, and still
want a full-featured CMS, i use www.lipsum.com for filler (ok,ok - i use the
filler initially even if they have their own content; so many people will
look at an empty template and fall in love... until they see it filled with
words).
    graphics - have i spent more time in Photoshop than i have in Firefox?
(++ graphics $$) Did i have to touch up every washed out image they gave me?
(++ graphics $$) did i have to resize every 1220x900 @ 300dpi images they
gave me? (++ graphics $$) did i have to round off the corners of the
template they liked? (++ graphics $$). the only graphics i don't consider
are when i replace that damned Joomla favicon.

extensions/modules: back to the hourly guessing. how much work did you put
in? I've installed Joomla extension that worked as advertised, right out of
the box (so to speak). I have also installed extensions/mods that eventually
had me editing more PHP than i care to look at in a month... Price goes up.
Of course (and sometimes i feel like this makes me look a little
unprofessional - but i do it anyway) I always give the customer the option
of dropping said extension before i start pulling my hair out (and charging
them accordingly) for something that they're not even sure they want.

... and then there's trade
prices go all willy-nilly if cash is not involved. My wife has a $2000
tattoo on her leg that was paid for with a ~$300 Joomla site (
www.cynicaltattoos.net ).

hope this helps some...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Stewart Dean <studean at comicnet.net> wrote:

> Probably a token hourly charge for support rather than a retainer...
>  Though SEO might warrant a small retainer, if available.
>
>
> On 2/12/2010 9:24 AM, Cameron Purvis wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know this also.  Are you going to have ongoing support in
>> there, aka retainer or hourly revision charges?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Dean<studean at comicnet.net>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Are there any web designers for hire on this list?  I've never had to
>>> charge
>>> to build a website, so I'm wondering what's reasonable.  I'm looking at a
>>> 37-page Joomla! site, content to be provided and maintained by the
>>> client,
>>> but the designer may have to copy/paste it in place the first time.
>>>  "Store-bought" templates are fine, but the template may have to be
>>> altered
>>> slightly if it doesn't meet client specification.
>>>
>>> What kind of price and time frame are we looking at here?
>>>
>>> Stu
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TUXaloosa mailing list
>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUXaloosa mailing list
>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>
>>
>>
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> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
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From studean at comicnet.net  Fri Feb 12 18:27:20 2010
From: studean at comicnet.net (Stewart Dean)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:27:20 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Web design opinions requested
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References: <4B756F60.9020407@comicnet.net>	<22e6c2171002120724t75bc5950ia40c0db6e7ed84f5@mail.gmail.com>	<4B757831.1040701@comicnet.net>
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Thanks for the info!  Let me lay all my cards on the table:  My parents 
wanted a website for their Real Estate company.  At the time, I was 
swamped at the office, so they hired an advertising agency to create the 
website for them.  They defined the parameters and the company got to 
work (or so my parents assumed).  The contracted price was, I believe, 
$4,500 and they wanted half up front -- you know, for all the costs 
associated in setting up a website on somebody else's server and all...  
7 months later, my parents got a reasonably basic Joomla install (and 
it's been a few years since I poked Joomla with a stick, so I'm not sure 
if there are any unorthodox extensions included) with a $37 template for 
their $2,250.  That's when I got involved...  Nothing about this site 
seems worth the 2K -- certainly not the time they put into it or the 
template that we almost had to force them to update (header was bigger 
than the content, making the website useless on a netbook).  They claim 
my parents didn't give them enough information to fill out the site, but 
it's a CMS.  Put the site up, show them how to update, and if they don't 
like it, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Now they feel that they have somehow earned the $2,250 for all the time 
they put into the website that took them away from other clients.  Think 
about that for a second -- they complained that my parents weren't 
giving them enough information to create the website.  Do they expect me 
to believe that they just kept working on it anyway?  Or maybe their 
programmer works out of the back of a cab with the meter running...

I explained very politely that I happened to be gainfully employed as a 
web designer/programmer, and I know how much work he put into the 
website.  I even pointed out where he purchased the template (but it's 
just as likely that they didn't pay for it and just pulled the files 
from the demo site).  I pointed out the flaw in the logic that said they 
did a lot of work even though they claim they had no way of knowing what 
work needed to be done.  I requested that they refund 2000 of the 2250 
because 25/hour seems more than generous for the output.  They didn't 
secure the website* or spell check any of the pages.  They didn't even 
read the copy to make sure it made some sort of sense...  And this was 
an ADVERTISING AGENCY.  "The customer is always right" is crap.  The 
customer pays people to be right so they don't have to learn how to be 
right themselves.  If they wanted to be right, they wouldn't need 
somebody else to do the work for them.

You'd think that an ad agency would have as their primary objective 
"make the client look good".  Not "make the client look like they failed 
kindergarten"...

Stu.

* Tinybrowser was the culprit.  Check any Joomla sites for 
"plugins/editors/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/tinybrowser/upload.php" 
and move or disable that stuff...  No login is required to use it, and 
you can upload arbitrary files and rename them for malicious intent.  It 
won't let you upload php files directly, but you can upload a file and 
use the "rename" feature to end up with something that will work.  If 
you successfully manage to rename a file to an invalid (by tinybrowser's 
terms) extension, instead of deleting the file, it just doesn't display 
it in the list.  I ended up installing dbkiss.php to manually add an 
admin account for myself...

On 2/12/2010 11:40 AM, Erik Hanson wrote:
> take a look at what other joomla freelancers are charging and take it 
> from there:
> http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/by-job/Joomla.html
>
> I have done some Joomla work (I absolutely love joomla - but you 
> already seem sold on it, so i wont gush) for a few places/people in 
> town. I always feel bad charging some of the fees that I have seen 
> on-line (one place wanted to charge $200 to apply a template (!?!)), 
> and wind up going for a cheap hourly rate (these are 
> friends/acquaintances we are talking about here - not just businesses 
> that contacted my for my (cough) expertise). I enjoy the work; and, 
> lets admit, Joomla's not a difficult bit of labor.
>
> that being said, this is what pricing has looked like to me in the past:
>
> setup (ftp to host, setup mysql, initial config): $100 - $200
>
> apply a template: $50 - $150 - this should include searching for the 
> right template on site-ground/joomla.de/joomla-templates.com/etc 
> <http://joomla.de/joomla-templates.com/etc>, making sure it's what the 
> customer wants, and tweaking accordingly. If i find myself having to 
> spend more than two hours scrolling through a poorly structured (or in 
> a foreign language) style sheet the price moves towards the high end.
>
> per page cost:
>     copy/paste - $3 - $10/page (should depend on how much work you 
> have to do to make that copy/paste work. one time i had a person email 
> me 10 docx files and tell me they wanted their site to look *exactly* 
> like those documents... colors fonts and all. I felt that i had to 
> include the many email communications in which i told them that this 
> was, in fact, not what they wanted, in the per-page-price).
>      custom content - can you put a price on the creation of content 
> that you cannot call it your own? some people think you can. I no 
> longer make custom content because I've found that many people don't 
> find my sense of humor appropriate. instead, if they have no content 
> of their own, and still want a full-featured CMS, i use www.lipsum.com 
> <http://www.lipsum.com> for filler (ok,ok - i use the filler initially 
> even if they have their own content; so many people will look at an 
> empty template and fall in love... until they see it filled with words).
>     graphics - have i spent more time in Photoshop than i have in 
> Firefox? (++ graphics $$) Did i have to touch up every washed out 
> image they gave me? (++ graphics $$) did i have to resize every 
> 1220x900 @ 300dpi images they gave me? (++ graphics $$) did i have to 
> round off the corners of the template they liked? (++ graphics $$). 
> the only graphics i don't consider are when i replace that damned 
> Joomla favicon.
>
> extensions/modules: back to the hourly guessing. how much work did you 
> put in? I've installed Joomla extension that worked as advertised, 
> right out of the box (so to speak). I have also installed 
> extensions/mods that eventually had me editing more PHP than i care to 
> look at in a month... Price goes up. Of course (and sometimes i feel 
> like this makes me look a little unprofessional - but i do it anyway) 
> I always give the customer the option of dropping said extension 
> before i start pulling my hair out (and charging them accordingly) for 
> something that they're not even sure they want.
>
> ... and then there's trade
> prices go all willy-nilly if cash is not involved. My wife has a $2000 
> tattoo on her leg that was paid for with a ~$300 Joomla site ( 
> www.cynicaltattoos.net <http://www.cynicaltattoos.net> ).
>
> hope this helps some...
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Stewart Dean <studean at comicnet.net 
> <mailto:studean at comicnet.net>> wrote:
>
>     Probably a token hourly charge for support rather than a
>     retainer...  Though SEO might warrant a small retainer, if available.
>
>
>     On 2/12/2010 9:24 AM, Cameron Purvis wrote:
>
>         I'd like to know this also.  Are you going to have ongoing
>         support in
>         there, aka retainer or hourly revision charges?
>
>         On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Stewart
>         Dean<studean at comicnet.net <mailto:studean at comicnet.net>>  wrote:
>
>             Are there any web designers for hire on this list?  I've
>             never had to charge
>             to build a website, so I'm wondering what's reasonable.
>              I'm looking at a
>             37-page Joomla! site, content to be provided and
>             maintained by the client,
>             but the designer may have to copy/paste it in place the
>             first time.
>              "Store-bought" templates are fine, but the template may
>             have to be altered
>             slightly if it doesn't meet client specification.
>
>             What kind of price and time frame are we looking at here?
>
>             Stu
>             _______________________________________________
>             TUXaloosa mailing list
>             TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org <mailto:TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org>
>             http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         TUXaloosa mailing list
>         TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org <mailto:TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org>
>         http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TUXaloosa mailing list
>     TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org <mailto:TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org>
>     http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
>
>
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From leprkhn at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 18:42:44 2010
From: leprkhn at gmail.com (Erik Hanson)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:42:44 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Web design opinions requested
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I've heard similar stories. there are companies out there that charge that
price because they know the customer is a(n) (technological) idiot who is
prepared to pay a fee that they know nothing about (their point of view...
not necessarily the truth).
$2500 these days should get you a *custom* CMS. Tailored to your specific
needs. Without all the bullshit that you don't need. Worked on for a solid
week by at least three self loathing, under paid code-monkeys who
telecommute from mom's shed (you know... the folks who really know what
they're doing).
Ok, that may be going a little far, but you get the idea: they, as you
already know, got taken by a company that knows they have little or no
recourse.

do you have a link to the site?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stewart Dean <studean at comicnet.net> wrote:

>  Thanks for the info!  Let me lay all my cards on the table:  My parents
> wanted a website for their Real Estate company.  At the time, I was swamped
> at the office, so they hired an advertising agency to create the website for
> them.  They defined the parameters and the company got to work (or so my
> parents assumed).  The contracted price was, I believe, $4,500 and they
> wanted half up front -- you know, for all the costs associated in setting up
> a website on somebody else's server and all...  7 months later, my parents
> got a reasonably basic Joomla install (and it's been a few years since I
> poked Joomla with a stick, so I'm not sure if there are any unorthodox
> extensions included) with a $37 template for their $2,250.  That's when I
> got involved...  Nothing about this site seems worth the 2K -- certainly not
> the time they put into it or the template that we almost had to force them
> to update (header was bigger than the content, making the website useless on
> a netbook).  They claim my parents didn't give them enough information to
> fill out the site, but it's a CMS.  Put the site up, show them how to
> update, and if they don't like it, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
>
> Now they feel that they have somehow earned the $2,250 for all the time
> they put into the website that took them away from other clients.  Think
> about that for a second -- they complained that my parents weren't giving
> them enough information to create the website.  Do they expect me to believe
> that they just kept working on it anyway?  Or maybe their programmer works
> out of the back of a cab with the meter running...
>
> I explained very politely that I happened to be gainfully employed as a web
> designer/programmer, and I know how much work he put into the website.  I
> even pointed out where he purchased the template (but it's just as likely
> that they didn't pay for it and just pulled the files from the demo site).
> I pointed out the flaw in the logic that said they did a lot of work even
> though they claim they had no way of knowing what work needed to be done.  I
> requested that they refund 2000 of the 2250 because 25/hour seems more than
> generous for the output.  They didn't secure the website* or spell check any
> of the pages.  They didn't even read the copy to make sure it made some sort
> of sense...  And this was an ADVERTISING AGENCY.  "The customer is always
> right" is crap.  The customer pays people to be right so they don't have to
> learn how to be right themselves.  If they wanted to be right, they wouldn't
> need somebody else to do the work for them.
>
> You'd think that an ad agency would have as their primary objective "make
> the client look good".  Not "make the client look like they failed
> kindergarten"...
>
> Stu.
>
> * Tinybrowser was the culprit.  Check any Joomla sites for
> "plugins/editors/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/tinybrowser/upload.php"
> and move or disable that stuff...  No login is required to use it, and you
> can upload arbitrary files and rename them for malicious intent.  It won't
> let you upload php files directly, but you can upload a file and use the
> "rename" feature to end up with something that will work.  If you
> successfully manage to rename a file to an invalid (by tinybrowser's terms)
> extension, instead of deleting the file, it just doesn't display it in the
> list.  I ended up installing dbkiss.php to manually add an admin account for
> myself...
>
>
> On 2/12/2010 11:40 AM, Erik Hanson wrote:
>
> take a look at what other joomla freelancers are charging and take it from
> there:
> http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/by-job/Joomla.html
>
> I have done some Joomla work (I absolutely love joomla - but you already
> seem sold on it, so i wont gush) for a few places/people in town. I always
> feel bad charging some of the fees that I have seen on-line (one place
> wanted to charge $200 to apply a template (!?!)), and wind up going for a
> cheap hourly rate (these are friends/acquaintances we are talking about here
> - not just businesses that contacted my for my (cough) expertise). I enjoy
> the work; and, lets admit, Joomla's not a difficult bit of labor.
>
> that being said, this is what pricing has looked like to me in the past:
>
> setup (ftp to host, setup mysql, initial config): $100 - $200
>
> apply a template: $50 - $150 - this should include searching for the right
> template on site-ground/joomla.de/joomla-templates.com/etc, making sure
> it's what the customer wants, and tweaking accordingly. If i find myself
> having to spend more than two hours scrolling through a poorly structured
> (or in a foreign language) style sheet the price moves towards the high end.
>
> per page cost:
>     copy/paste - $3 - $10/page (should depend on how much work you have to
> do to make that copy/paste work. one time i had a person email me 10 docx
> files and tell me they wanted their site to look *exactly* like those
> documents... colors fonts and all. I felt that i had to include the many
> email communications in which i told them that this was, in fact, not what
> they wanted, in the per-page-price).
>      custom content - can you put a price on the creation of content that
> you cannot call it your own? some people think you can. I no longer make
> custom content because I've found that many people don't find my sense of
> humor appropriate. instead, if they have no content of their own, and still
> want a full-featured CMS, i use www.lipsum.com for filler (ok,ok - i use
> the filler initially even if they have their own content; so many people
> will look at an empty template and fall in love... until they see it filled
> with words).
>     graphics - have i spent more time in Photoshop than i have in Firefox?
> (++ graphics $$) Did i have to touch up every washed out image they gave me?
> (++ graphics $$) did i have to resize every 1220x900 @ 300dpi images they
> gave me? (++ graphics $$) did i have to round off the corners of the
> template they liked? (++ graphics $$). the only graphics i don't consider
> are when i replace that damned Joomla favicon.
>
> extensions/modules: back to the hourly guessing. how much work did you put
> in? I've installed Joomla extension that worked as advertised, right out of
> the box (so to speak). I have also installed extensions/mods that eventually
> had me editing more PHP than i care to look at in a month... Price goes up.
> Of course (and sometimes i feel like this makes me look a little
> unprofessional - but i do it anyway) I always give the customer the option
> of dropping said extension before i start pulling my hair out (and charging
> them accordingly) for something that they're not even sure they want.
>
> ... and then there's trade
> prices go all willy-nilly if cash is not involved. My wife has a $2000
> tattoo on her leg that was paid for with a ~$300 Joomla site (
> www.cynicaltattoos.net ).
>
> hope this helps some...
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Stewart Dean <studean at comicnet.net>wrote:
>
>> Probably a token hourly charge for support rather than a retainer...
>>  Though SEO might warrant a small retainer, if available.
>>
>>
>> On 2/12/2010 9:24 AM, Cameron Purvis wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to know this also.  Are you going to have ongoing support in
>>> there, aka retainer or hourly revision charges?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Dean<studean at comicnet.net>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are there any web designers for hire on this list?  I've never had to
>>>> charge
>>>> to build a website, so I'm wondering what's reasonable.  I'm looking at
>>>> a
>>>> 37-page Joomla! site, content to be provided and maintained by the
>>>> client,
>>>> but the designer may have to copy/paste it in place the first time.
>>>>  "Store-bought" templates are fine, but the template may have to be
>>>> altered
>>>> slightly if it doesn't meet client specification.
>>>>
>>>> What kind of price and time frame are we looking at here?
>>>>
>>>> Stu
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TUXaloosa mailing list
>>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TUXaloosa mailing list
>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From eterry9 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 03:43:24 2010
From: eterry9 at gmail.com (Edward Terry)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:43:24 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] next meeting
Message-ID: <4B834EDC.2010808@gmail.com>

Hi.  I recently moved to Tuscaloosa from Oregon, and I wanted to find 
out when you'll be meeting.  The website indicates the next meeting is 
March 11th; is that up to date?  Thank you.

Edward

From leprkhn at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 03:51:54 2010
From: leprkhn at gmail.com (Erik Hanson)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:51:54 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <4B834EDC.2010808@gmail.com>
References: <4B834EDC.2010808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f62da071002221951u8103acexdb4ae62eaaeb5f48@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Edward. Welcome to Tuscaloosa.

The info on the web site is correct, however recently attendance has been
sparse. Many of us had been busy through the holidays and i don't think that
there has been a full fledged meeting yet this year.

what brings you to the south?
what do you do with your linux?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.  I recently moved to Tuscaloosa from Oregon, and I wanted to find out
> when you'll be meeting.  The website indicates the next meeting is March
> 11th; is that up to date?  Thank you.
>
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
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From rw at rlworkman.net  Tue Feb 23 04:15:42 2010
From: rw at rlworkman.net (Robby Workman)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:15:42 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <6f62da071002221951u8103acexdb4ae62eaaeb5f48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B834EDC.2010808@gmail.com>
	<6f62da071002221951u8103acexdb4ae62eaaeb5f48@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:51:54 -0600
Erik Hanson <leprkhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Edward. Welcome to Tuscaloosa.


Ditto from me.


> The info on the web site is correct, however recently attendance has
> been sparse. Many of us had been busy through the holidays and i
> don't think that there has been a full fledged meeting yet this year.


Correct indeed; I'm hoping that March will be somewhat closer
to this fabled thing we call "normal" and we can actually have
a meeting again...

We can even do a "show and tell" - I canhaz SheevaPlug!  :D

-RW
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From eterry9 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 06:54:05 2010
From: eterry9 at gmail.com (Edward Terry)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:54:05 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.596.1266897117.1815.tuxaloosa@tuxaloosa.org>
References: <mailman.596.1266897117.1815.tuxaloosa@tuxaloosa.org>
Message-ID: <4B837B8D.9010403@gmail.com>

> Hey Edward. Welcome to Tuscaloosa.

Thank you.

> The info on the web site is correct, however recently attendance has been
> sparse. Many of us had been busy through the holidays and i don't think that
> there has been a full fledged meeting yet this year.
> 
> what brings you to the south?

I'm originally from Tuscaloosa, though I've been gone 15 years.  I 
previously lived in Portland, and before that in Atlanta.

> what do you do with your linux?

Nothing too technical; my background is in sales and customer service. 
I used to tinker a bit, but in recent years I've become more interested 
in a system that "just works", leading me to switch from Fedora to 
Ubuntu.  I'm also interested in open-source gaming, though I'm not a 
hard-core gamer.

> Correct indeed; I'm hoping that March will be somewhat closer
> to this fabled thing we call "normal" and we can actually have
> a meeting again...
> 
> We can even do a "show and tell" - I canhaz SheevaPlug!  :D

Sounds interesting.  I'll look forward to it.

Edward


From eterry9 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 07:43:00 2010
From: eterry9 at gmail.com (Edward Terry)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:43:00 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
Message-ID: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>

I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service 
in Tuscaloosa.  Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the 
others?  I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).

Edward

From cameron.purvis at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 14:33:53 2010
From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:33:53 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>

My Verizon is pretty good (though my phone is not).  I also had OK
luck with ATT, but have not used them for a couple of years.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service in
> Tuscaloosa. ?Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the others?
> ?I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).
>
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>

From mark at markgreene.info  Wed Feb 24 14:47:46 2010
From: mark at markgreene.info (Mark Greene)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:47:46 +0000
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com><22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1997914493-1267022867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-995220445-@bda273.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Verizon is the winner by far. ATT only recently brought 3g to town and it is so terribly slow at times.  VZW has had it for the last 4 yrs and it is always consistent. ATT is also very weedy on game days or other big event days, making it very hard to call out. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Purvis <cameron.purvis at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:33:53 
To: Tuscaloosa Linux Users Group<tuxaloosa at tuxaloosa.org>
Subject: Re: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage

My Verizon is pretty good (though my phone is not).  I also had OK
luck with ATT, but have not used them for a couple of years.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service in
> Tuscaloosa. ?Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the others?
> ?I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).
>
> Edward
>_______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
_______________________________________________
TUXaloosa mailing list
TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa

From revrick56 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 24 15:19:24 2010
From: revrick56 at yahoo.com (Rick Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:19:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <156490.12466.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

In Eutaw, I had to switch from Verizon to ATT because of coverage issues - Verizon had no towers in the county. I'm in T-Town 2 or 3 times a week and have no problems with ATT, except in Walmart, where everybody does. So if you spend time in Greene Co., I would recommend ATT, otherwise, I don't think it matters much.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
To: tuxaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 1:43 AM

I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service in Tuscaloosa.? Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the others?? I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).

Edward
_______________________________________________
TUXaloosa mailing list
TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa



      
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From cameron.purvis at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 15:27:47 2010
From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:27:47 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <156490.12466.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
	<156490.12466.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <22e6c2171002240727r35448bb1nac61cd9566171537@mail.gmail.com>

I did encounter an issue with ATT - their state map is essentially an orange
silhouette of the state of alabama, indicating total coverage.  However,
when we switched from ATT it was because, after triple-checking that they
had coverage where we lived at the time (Perry County), they sent a
termination letter.  Apparently they negotiate tower access in some areas
and if you spend too much time in one of those regions, they'll terminate
your service with 7-14 days notice.  Charming.

If you are closer in to Tuscaloosa, this will not be an issue, but becomes
more possible the further out of town and away from the interstate you
happen to be.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Rick Williams <revrick56 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> In Eutaw, I had to switch from Verizon to ATT because of coverage issues -
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From allen at ua.edu  Wed Feb 24 15:45:06 2010
From: allen at ua.edu (Beddingfield, Allen)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:45:06 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7AAA5A2.2782D%allen@ua.edu>

It depends on where you will be going. For overall coverage, Verizon is the best bet.  I personally use T-Mobile, and their coverage in town and along major highways is good.  I have a Verizon phone for work, and there are very few places I can't get a signal.  If I drive from here to Mobile, I have Verizon coverage most of the way.  T-Mobile drops off just south of Moundville and picks up just before Creola!

Allen B.



On 2/24/10 1:43 AM, "Edward Terry" <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service
in Tuscaloosa.  Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the
others?  I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).

Edward
_______________________________________________
TUXaloosa mailing list
TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa



From studean at comicnet.net  Wed Feb 24 15:49:11 2010
From: studean at comicnet.net (Stewart Dean)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:49:11 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B854A77.2030100@comicnet.net>

I've had more dropped calls on "the network with fewer dropped calls" 
(AT&T) than I ever did under Verizon.  Of course, I had more billing 
problems with Verizon than AT&T...  It's a toss-up, really.  For what 
it's worth, we'd probably still be on Verizon if the wife wasn't an 
iPhone fan...

Stu

(Disclaimer: I drive to B'ham 4 days a week and the Edge network/3G 
crossover happened around mile marker 97.  AT&T couldn't seem to 
successfully make that transition...  It's quite a bit better now, but 
you'll still be sharing a network with iPhone people...)

On 2/24/2010 1:43 AM, Edward Terry wrote:
> I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service 
> in Tuscaloosa.  Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than 
> the others?  I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or 
> against).
>
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>

From leprkhn at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 17:28:49 2010
From: leprkhn at gmail.com (Erik Hanson)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:28:49 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
	<22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f62da071002240928n5907cdf5l904c7e24342fbcb9@mail.gmail.com>

+1 verison, they're doing just fine by me.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Cameron Purvis <cameron.purvis at gmail.com>wrote:

> My Verizon is pretty good (though my phone is not).  I also had OK
> luck with ATT, but have not used them for a couple of years.
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service in
> > Tuscaloosa.  Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the
> others?
> >  I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).
> >
> > Edward
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUXaloosa mailing list
> > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>
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From wrmilling at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 17:39:57 2010
From: wrmilling at gmail.com (Winston Milling)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <6f62da071002240928n5907cdf5l904c7e24342fbcb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
	<22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f62da071002240928n5907cdf5l904c7e24342fbcb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5af4782d1002240939q3e4e757fhe03fb091d0afb9ba@mail.gmail.com>

I personally have had AT&T and have had no issues beyond game days, but I do
know a lot of people that have had issues in the past.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Erik Hanson <leprkhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 verison, they're doing just fine by me.
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Cameron Purvis <cameron.purvis at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> My Verizon is pretty good (though my phone is not).  I also had OK
>> luck with ATT, but have not used them for a couple of years.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service
>> in
>> > Tuscaloosa.  Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the
>> others?
>> >  I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).
>> >
>> > Edward
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TUXaloosa mailing list
>> > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>> > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUXaloosa mailing list
>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
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From wrmilling at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 17:41:13 2010
From: wrmilling at gmail.com (Winston Milling)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:41:13 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
In-Reply-To: <5af4782d1002240939q3e4e757fhe03fb091d0afb9ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B84D884.1080009@gmail.com>
	<22e6c2171002240633o1c141260m7a3735536da7c3c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f62da071002240928n5907cdf5l904c7e24342fbcb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<5af4782d1002240939q3e4e757fhe03fb091d0afb9ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5af4782d1002240941r329ae246g96be9503b77e2572@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, lack of sleep really messes with grammar.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Winston Milling <wrmilling at gmail.com>wrote:

> I personally have had AT&T and have had no issues beyond game days, but I
> do know a lot of people that have had issues in the past.
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Erik Hanson <leprkhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 verison, they're doing just fine by me.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Cameron Purvis <cameron.purvis at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My Verizon is pretty good (though my phone is not).  I also had OK
>>> luck with ATT, but have not used them for a couple of years.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I'm about to get a cell phone, and wondered about coverage and service
>>> in
>>> > Tuscaloosa.  Is one carrier significantly better, or worse, than the
>>> others?
>>> >  I appreciate any thoughts or recommendations (for or against).
>>> >
>>> > Edward
>>> > _______________________________________________
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From eterry9 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 23:01:48 2010
From: eterry9 at gmail.com (Edward Terry)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:01:48 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
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> It depends on where you will be going. For overall coverage, Verizon
> is the best bet.  I personally use T-Mobile, and their coverage in
> town and along major highways is good.  I have a Verizon phone for
> work, and there are very few places I can't get a signal.  If I drive
> from here to Mobile, I have Verizon coverage most of the way.
> T-Mobile drops off just south of Moundville and picks up just before
> Creola!

I may be driving to Mobile and other areas occasionally, but most of the 
time I'll be in Tuscaloosa or Birmingham.  I live in Tuscaloosa.

Thanks for all the feedback.  I currently have DSL through AT&T, and I 
should probably decide whether to switch before deciding on a cellular 
carrier.  Are there any real options for residential broadband in 
Tuscaloosa other than the cable companies, AT&T, and Earthlink?

It's too bad WiMax isn't available yet.  I was with Clear in Portland 
and found it satisfactory (though some of the more technically demanding 
users weren't happy with the quality of the connection).

Edward

From leprkhn at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 23:28:18 2010
From: leprkhn at gmail.com (Erik Hanson)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:28:18 -0600
Subject: [Tuxaloosa] cell phone coverage
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If you're looking for any kind of speed in your internets, Comcast is the
way to go for residential access (plus you get your tv too). speeds stay at
a pretty steady 750k/150k (up/down). their "SpeedBoost" thing will get you
up to ~1.5M down (which can be nice if you're downloading a single file that
<50M), but only lasts for a few seconds.

I long for the day when Tuscaloosa get Verison's Fios service (Google's
would be nice too! http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/ ), but I won't
be holding my breath.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Edward Terry <eterry9 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It depends on where you will be going. For overall coverage, Verizon
>> is the best bet.  I personally use T-Mobile, and their coverage in
>> town and along major highways is good.  I have a Verizon phone for
>> work, and there are very few places I can't get a signal.  If I drive
>> from here to Mobile, I have Verizon coverage most of the way.
>> T-Mobile drops off just south of Moundville and picks up just before
>> Creola!
>>
>
> I may be driving to Mobile and other areas occasionally, but most of the
> time I'll be in Tuscaloosa or Birmingham.  I live in Tuscaloosa.
>
> Thanks for all the feedback.  I currently have DSL through AT&T, and I
> should probably decide whether to switch before deciding on a cellular
> carrier.  Are there any real options for residential broadband in Tuscaloosa
> other than the cable companies, AT&T, and Earthlink?
>
> It's too bad WiMax isn't available yet.  I was with Clear in Portland and
> found it satisfactory (though some of the more technically demanding users
> weren't happy with the quality of the connection).
>
>
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> TUXaloosa mailing list
> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org
> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa
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