From leprkhn at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 16:05:43 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? Message-ID: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com> so i set up this (ubuntu server 9.04) samba server here at home and everything is working well, but i was wondering if anyone had any pointers on how to make sure it is "secure". what do some of you do for home servers and security? erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nilson at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 18:56:07 2009 From: nilson at gmail.com (Nilson Cain) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:56:07 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? In-Reply-To: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f9b16920908091156j2f6ed80ep68c4d320dee9a99a@mail.gmail.com> A few pointers: Do you know what IP (range) you will be connecting from? You can limit outside access to your machine to a specific IP which limits attackers options a lot. Out of the box, Ubuntu does not have iptables enabled. You should change the sshd config to not allow root logins and possibly lock down SSH to only listening to specific IP addresses. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM, E.H. wrote: > so i set up this (ubuntu server 9.04) samba server here at home and > everything is working well, but i was wondering if anyone had any pointers > on how to make sure it is "secure". > what do some of you do for home servers and security? > > erik > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -- Nilson Cain University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at markgreene.info Sun Aug 9 19:33:39 2009 From: mark at markgreene.info (Mark Greene) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:33:39 +0000 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908091156j2f6ed80ep68c4d320dee9a99a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com><3f9b16920908091156j2f6ed80ep68c4d320dee9a99a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1824281130-1249846416-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1455218898-@bxe1245.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Keep it behind a router, and only forward the ports associated with the services you want to access. Also keep an eye on security vulnerabilities and patches for the services you have exposed. - mark -----Original Message----- From: Nilson Cain Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:56:07 To: Tuscaloosa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? _______________________________________________ TUXaloosa mailing list TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa From cameron.purvis at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 22:35:35 2009 From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:35:35 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? In-Reply-To: <1824281130-1249846416-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1455218898-@bxe1245.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908091156j2f6ed80ep68c4d320dee9a99a@mail.gmail.com> <1824281130-1249846416-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1455218898-@bxe1245.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <22e6c2170908091535h1dfc660cme243c21866560ec1@mail.gmail.com> The 'shields up' section of Steve Gibson's web site (grc.com, I think) will do a port scan. You could hit it with Nessus running from a Knoppix-STD disc On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Mark Greene wrote: > Keep it behind a router, and only forward the ports associated with the > services you want to access. > > Also keep an eye on security vulnerabilities and patches for the services > you have exposed. > > - mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Nilson Cain > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:56:07 > To: Tuscaloosa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? > > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allen at ua.edu Sun Aug 9 22:53:57 2009 From: allen at ua.edu (Beddingfield, Allen) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:53:57 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? In-Reply-To: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f62da070908090905j564357b6ibd133d682f1480c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89BEA3243E5B0C4BB7AABB377C567D6B027A8E7E3D@MAIL1.ua-net.ua.edu> Hmmm...I haven't worked with Ubuntu in a while, but I believe it is a distro that supports AppArmor. You may want to consider setting up an AppArmor profile for Samba. Allen B. ________________________________________ From: tuxaloosa-bounces at tuxaloosa.org [tuxaloosa-bounces at tuxaloosa.org] On Behalf Of E.H. [leprkhn at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:05 AM To: Tuscaloosa Linux Users Group Subject: [Tuxaloosa] fileserver security? so i set up this (ubuntu server 9.04) samba server here at home and everything is working well, but i was wondering if anyone had any pointers on how to make sure it is "secure". what do some of you do for home servers and security? erik From nilson at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 14:02:26 2009 From: nilson at gmail.com (Nilson Cain) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone! Just a reminder - we'll be meeting tonight at the Crimson Caf? on The Strip downtown. The time will be the usual 6:00 PM. I'd like to see a lot of folks come out, and I know we have gained a couple of members as of the last meeting, so it'll be a good chance to meet anyone you haven't run into yet. Yeah - and we don't have presentations (yet) until we find another venue. I know everyone would like to start teaching/learning things at out meet ups but we're stuck with just talking to each other until we get into a better venue. BYOB-type establishment would be great ;) Hope everyone has a great day and hope to see you at the Crimson Caf?! Addendum: Atlanta Linux Fest is nigh so we should discuss the carpool strategy if that's still the idea. -- Nilson Cain University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leprkhn at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 14:10:59 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:10:59 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070908130710r55a6ed89gc256b4cd522187a9@mail.gmail.com> I'm in. see everyone at 6. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Nilson Cain wrote: > Hello Everyone! > > Just a reminder - we'll be meeting tonight at the Crimson Caf? on The Strip > downtown. The time will be the usual 6:00 PM. I'd like to see a lot of folks > come out, and I know we have gained a couple of members as of the last > meeting, so it'll be a good chance to meet anyone you haven't run into yet. > > Yeah - and we don't have presentations (yet) until we find another venue. I > know everyone would like to start teaching/learning things at out meet ups > but we're stuck with just talking to each other until we get into a better > venue. BYOB-type establishment would be great ;) > > Hope everyone has a great day and hope to see you at the Crimson Caf?! > > > > Addendum: > Atlanta Linux Fest is nigh so we should discuss the carpool strategy if > that's still the idea. > > -- > Nilson Cain > University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research > nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:10:59 To: Tuscaloosa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight _______________________________________________ TUXaloosa mailing list TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa From rw at rlworkman.net Thu Aug 13 20:39:10 2009 From: rw at rlworkman.net (Robby Workman) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:39:10 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090813153910.219b443e@liberty.rlwhome.lan> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:02:26 -0500 Nilson Cain wrote: > Hello Everyone! > > Just a reminder - we'll be meeting tonight at the Crimson Caf? on The > Strip downtown. The time will be the usual 6:00 PM. I'd like to see a > lot of folks come out, and I know we have gained a couple of members > as of the last meeting, so it'll be a good chance to meet anyone you > haven't run into yet. > > Yeah - and we don't have presentations (yet) until we find another > venue. I know everyone would like to start teaching/learning things > at out meet ups but we're stuck with just talking to each other until > we get into a better venue. BYOB-type establishment would be great ;) > > Hope everyone has a great day and hope to see you at the Crimson Caf?! I *think* I'll be there. > Addendum: > Atlanta Linux Fest is nigh so we should discuss the carpool strategy > if that's still the idea. I definitely cannot attend this - we will be in Gatlinburg. -RW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I definitely cannot attend this - we will be in Gatlinburg. -RW _______________________________________________ TUXaloosa mailing list TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cameron.purvis at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 21:11:06 2009 From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: References: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> <20090813153910.219b443e@liberty.rlwhome.lan> Message-ID: <22e6c2170908131411v1a263f7au76f0f3dfc39185c7@mail.gmail.com> You guys have fun tonight. I'm recovering from the plague or something and don't see going out to be in the cards. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Paul Kilgo wrote: > I'll catch it next month :( > > On Aug 13, 2009 3:39 PM, "Robby Workman" wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:02:26 -0500 > > Nilson Cain wrote: > > > Hello Everyone! > > Just a reminder - we'll be meeting tonight at the > Crimson Caf? on The > Strip... > I *think* I'll be there. > > > Addendum: > Atlanta Linux Fest is nigh so we should discuss the carpool > strategy > if that's sti... > I definitely cannot attend this - we will be in Gatlinburg. > > -RW > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nilson at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 21:28:04 2009 From: nilson at gmail.com (Nilson Cain) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:28:04 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <22e6c2170908131411v1a263f7au76f0f3dfc39185c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> <20090813153910.219b443e@liberty.rlwhome.lan> <22e6c2170908131411v1a263f7au76f0f3dfc39185c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f9b16920908131428r409b2756hdf5e332995d4c7f7@mail.gmail.com> If no one is able to make it this month, let's just hold off until next month. Atlanta Linux Fest will be after our September meeting so we'll have time to talk about that in person and on the mailing list. -- Nilson Cain University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leprkhn at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 21:34:11 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:34:11 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908131428r409b2756hdf5e332995d4c7f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908130702g16e627adv2be4fb73dc34164e@mail.gmail.com> <20090813153910.219b443e@liberty.rlwhome.lan> <22e6c2170908131411v1a263f7au76f0f3dfc39185c7@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908131428r409b2756hdf5e332995d4c7f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070908131434m4cb63c62red52afd94aa3ce45@mail.gmail.com> sounds good to me. i have to attend acoustic night at the bama and skipping the meeting will make that easier. good call nilson. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: > If no one is able to make it this month, let's just hold off until next > month. Atlanta Linux Fest will be after our September meeting so we'll have > time to talk about that in person and on the mailing list. > > > > -- > Nilson Cain > University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research > nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That ain't happenin' :-) -RW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cameron.purvis at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 17:27:39 2009 From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:27:39 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Any hardware hackers out there? Fun to be had with a LCD display with busted cable? Message-ID: <22e6c2170908221027q512fe873i48f6c2221ba2bab9@mail.gmail.com> I have an LCD monitor which may or may not work in the conceptual sense. That is to say, the signal cable to the poor thing was cut, possibly by the chewing of an animal. It has a foot or so of the VGA cable coming out of the back. It's a compaq 15" display. It seems to be one of those stupid @#$&@ units where the signal cable is permanently attached to the insides of the monitor. Can anyone think of anything interesting to do with this? I suspect the monitor works, but the notion of spending a couple of hours splicing in a VGA cable is horrifying and likely pointless - any ideas other than trashing it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nilson at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 17:58:05 2009 From: nilson at gmail.com (Nilson Cain) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Any hardware hackers out there? Fun to be had with a LCD display with busted cable? In-Reply-To: <22e6c2170908221027q512fe873i48f6c2221ba2bab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <22e6c2170908221027q512fe873i48f6c2221ba2bab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f9b16920908221058j67b6bbd2gae281c7332ac4fe3@mail.gmail.com> Pimp out your truck with it :) On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Cameron Purvis wrote: > I have an LCD monitor which may or may not work in the conceptual sense. > That is to say, the signal cable to the poor thing was cut, possibly by the > chewing of an animal. It has a foot or so of the VGA cable coming out of > the back. It's a compaq 15" display. It seems to be one of those stupid > @#$&@ units where the signal cable is permanently attached to the insides of > the monitor. > > Can anyone think of anything interesting to do with this? I suspect the > monitor works, but the notion of spending a couple of hours splicing in a > VGA cable is horrifying and likely pointless - any ideas other than trashing > it? > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -- Nilson Cain University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nilson at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 18:00:34 2009 From: nilson at gmail.com (Nilson Cain) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:00:34 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] New Flyer? Message-ID: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester interested in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the Crimson Caf? as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update it to show the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) Thanks! -- Nilson Cain University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leprkhn at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 19:06:42 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] New Flyer? In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070908221206t4fdd0d21lb3b0a37df2395b@mail.gmail.com> next time im in windoze ill do it. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: > I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester interested > in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the Crimson Caf? > as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update it to show > the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) > > > Thanks! > > -- > Nilson Cain > University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research > nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leprkhn at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 19:15:24 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Any hardware hackers out there? Fun to be had with a LCD display with busted cable? In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908221058j67b6bbd2gae281c7332ac4fe3@mail.gmail.com> References: <22e6c2170908221027q512fe873i48f6c2221ba2bab9@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908221058j67b6bbd2gae281c7332ac4fe3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070908221215v6356cfd9s67355185906a8ab6@mail.gmail.com> picture frame? http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-_n-Easy-Digital-Picture-Frame/ On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: > Pimp out your truck with it :) > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Cameron Purvis > wrote: > >> I have an LCD monitor which may or may not work in the conceptual sense. >> That is to say, the signal cable to the poor thing was cut, possibly by the >> chewing of an animal. It has a foot or so of the VGA cable coming out of >> the back. It's a compaq 15" display. It seems to be one of those stupid >> @#$&@ units where the signal cable is permanently attached to the insides of >> the monitor. >> >> Can anyone think of anything interesting to do with this? I suspect the >> monitor works, but the notion of spending a couple of hours splicing in a >> VGA cable is horrifying and likely pointless - any ideas other than trashing >> it? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> > > > -- > Nilson Cain > University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research > nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From studean at comicnet.net Sun Aug 23 19:02:39 2009 From: studean at comicnet.net (Stewart Dean) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:02:39 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Any hardware hackers out there? Fun to be had with a LCD display with busted cable? In-Reply-To: <6f62da070908221215v6356cfd9s67355185906a8ab6@mail.gmail.com> References: <22e6c2170908221027q512fe873i48f6c2221ba2bab9@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908221058j67b6bbd2gae281c7332ac4fe3@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908221215v6356cfd9s67355185906a8ab6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A91924F.6090508@comicnet.net> The picture frame wouldn't work as described since VGA monitors don't, by default, accept composite video. There isn't a lot that can be done without hacking in a cable, but I wouldn't bother with splicing it -- I'd simply open it up and wire in a whole new cable. Better still, open it up, wire in a female DB15 (or male, you know, if that's the way you wanna roll... I know *I've* got a load of M/F VGA cables just sitting around being useless...) Of course, once I went to the trouble of getting it PC-worthy again and tested it out, I'd rip out the backplane and lamps, drop an IR-sensitive webcam behind it, and make a tiny little multitouch screen. If you wanted to get really fancy, you could make an infrared light pen and make a Cintiq-like device, though it would be a little difficult to reliably do pressure sensitivity that way. (One possible solution could be to dim the LED based on pressure, but the resolution of such a solution would be incredibly low [compared to the 256 levels of resolution of a normal tablet pen] and, depending on the webcam used, could give wildly inaccurate results...) Now if you want a picture frame or vehicle hack, go down to Dirt Cheap. They're always getting in portable DVD players and LCD picture frames. The picture frame screens may not be the best for hacking, but the DVD screens should work great! I've got one that I've separated from the DVD control board that I'm trying to hack a composite input into so I can have a little 7" screen for those times when I need to check something on the main entertainment center without turning on the projector... Stu E.H. wrote: > picture frame? > http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-_n-Easy-Digital-Picture-Frame/ > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Nilson Cain > wrote: > > Pimp out your truck with it :) > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Cameron Purvis > > wrote: > > I have an LCD monitor which may or may not work in the > conceptual sense. That is to say, the signal cable to the > poor thing was cut, possibly by the chewing of an animal. It > has a foot or so of the VGA cable coming out of the back. > It's a compaq 15" display. It seems to be one of those stupid > @#$&@ units where the signal cable is permanently attached to > the insides of the monitor. > > Can anyone think of anything interesting to do with this? I > suspect the monitor works, but the notion of spending a couple > of hours splicing in a VGA cable is horrifying and likely > pointless - any ideas other than trashing it? > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > > > > -- > Nilson Cain > University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, > Research > nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > From cameron.purvis at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 03:34:39 2009 From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:34:39 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] Any hardware hackers out there? Fun to be had with a LCD display with busted cable? In-Reply-To: <4A91924F.6090508@comicnet.net> References: <22e6c2170908221027q512fe873i48f6c2221ba2bab9@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908221058j67b6bbd2gae281c7332ac4fe3@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908221215v6356cfd9s67355185906a8ab6@mail.gmail.com> <4A91924F.6090508@comicnet.net> Message-ID: <22e6c2170908232034y762dab02n530282ca719a5c6@mail.gmail.com> Hrm. OK, I think that you win at Coming Up With Neat Stuff. :) On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Stewart Dean wrote: > The picture frame wouldn't work as described since VGA monitors don't, by > default, accept composite video. There isn't a lot that can be done without > hacking in a cable, but I wouldn't bother with splicing it -- I'd simply > open it up and wire in a whole new cable. Better still, open it up, wire in > a female DB15 (or male, you know, if that's the way you wanna roll... I > know *I've* got a load of M/F VGA cables just sitting around being > useless...) > > Of course, once I went to the trouble of getting it PC-worthy again and > tested it out, I'd rip out the backplane and lamps, drop an IR-sensitive > webcam behind it, and make a tiny little multitouch screen. If you wanted > to get really fancy, you could make an infrared light pen and make a > Cintiq-like device, though it would be a little difficult to reliably do > pressure sensitivity that way. (One possible solution could be to dim the > LED based on pressure, but the resolution of such a solution would be > incredibly low [compared to the 256 levels of resolution of a normal tablet > pen] and, depending on the webcam used, could give wildly inaccurate > results...) > > Now if you want a picture frame or vehicle hack, go down to Dirt Cheap. > They're always getting in portable DVD players and LCD picture frames. The > picture frame screens may not be the best for hacking, but the DVD screens > should work great! I've got one that I've separated from the DVD control > board that I'm trying to hack a composite input into so I can have a little > 7" screen for those times when I need to check something on the main > entertainment center without turning on the projector... > > Stu > > E.H. wrote: > >> picture frame? >> http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-_n-Easy-Digital-Picture-Frame/ >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Nilson Cain > nilson at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Pimp out your truck with it :) >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Cameron Purvis >> > wrote: >> >> I have an LCD monitor which may or may not work in the >> conceptual sense. That is to say, the signal cable to the >> poor thing was cut, possibly by the chewing of an animal. It >> has a foot or so of the VGA cable coming out of the back. >> It's a compaq 15" display. It seems to be one of those stupid >> @#$&@ units where the signal cable is permanently attached to >> the insides of the monitor. >> Can anyone think of anything interesting to do with this? I >> suspect the monitor works, but the notion of spending a couple >> of hours splicing in a VGA cable is horrifying and likely >> pointless - any ideas other than trashing it? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> >> >> >> -- Nilson Cain >> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, >> Research >> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <6f62da070908221206t4fdd0d21lb3b0a37df2395b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908221206t4fdd0d21lb3b0a37df2395b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070908241640g7eca9a7cu49a92dfcdcf00eee@mail.gmail.com> ok. the flier has been updated to reflect the new (current?) location. http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_web.jpg http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_print.jpg http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.pdf and if anyone feels like tinkering with it, heres the ai http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.ai e On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM, E.H. wrote: > next time im in windoze ill do it. > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: > >> I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester >> interested in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the >> Crimson Caf? as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update >> it to show the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Nilson Cain >> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research >> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nilson at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 03:20:42 2009 From: nilson at gmail.com (Nilson Cain) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] New Flyer? In-Reply-To: <6f62da070908241640g7eca9a7cu49a92dfcdcf00eee@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908221206t4fdd0d21lb3b0a37df2395b@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908241640g7eca9a7cu49a92dfcdcf00eee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f9b16920908252020m5e000809u1cb581c262ab92d6@mail.gmail.com> Excellent. Thank you! I'm going to print out some for my CS325 class. It's the third class in a series of programming classes centered on C++ design, with some Java. Anyway, we all got a 4GB USB stick with Xubuntu on it. That's our development environment. He has been teaching the class the basics of the Unix command line, along with make and subversion. All our development will be in the Linux environment, and as such, there will be a lot of interest generated about Linux in general. I've already been approached by a few interested persons asking me what distro I use :) On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM, E.H. wrote: > ok. > the flier has been updated to reflect the new (current?) location. > http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_web.jpg > http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_print.jpg > http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.pdf > and if anyone feels like tinkering with it, heres the ai > http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.ai > > e > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM, E.H. wrote: > >> next time im in windoze ill do it. >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: >> >>> I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester >>> interested in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the >>> Crimson Caf? as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update >>> it to show the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Nilson Cain >>> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research >>> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -- Nilson Cain University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leprkhn at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 12:49:37 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] New Flyer? In-Reply-To: <3f9b16920908252020m5e000809u1cb581c262ab92d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908221206t4fdd0d21lb3b0a37df2395b@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908241640g7eca9a7cu49a92dfcdcf00eee@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908252020m5e000809u1cb581c262ab92d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070908260549v169c9526p2c424e58104f3a6d@mail.gmail.com> that's awesome. maybe your professor should come too. if he's teaching *nix programming, it might be nice for him to be able to complete the immersion by having all of his students join a LUG mailing list... or attend a meeting. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: > Excellent. Thank you! > > I'm going to print out some for my CS325 class. It's the third class in a > series of programming classes centered on C++ design, with some Java. > Anyway, we all got a 4GB USB stick with Xubuntu on it. That's our > development environment. > > He has been teaching the class the basics of the Unix command line, along > with make and subversion. All our development will be in the Linux > environment, and as such, there will be a lot of interest generated about > Linux in general. I've already been approached by a few interested persons > asking me what distro I use :) > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM, E.H. wrote: > >> ok. >> the flier has been updated to reflect the new (current?) location. >> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_web.jpg >> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_print.jpg >> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.pdf >> and if anyone feels like tinkering with it, heres the ai >> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.ai >> >> e >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM, E.H. wrote: >> >>> next time im in windoze ill do it. >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: >>> >>>> I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester >>>> interested in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the >>>> Crimson Caf? as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update >>>> it to show the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nilson Cain >>>> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research >>>> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> > > > -- > Nilson Cain > University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research > nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cameron.purvis at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 13:30:58 2009 From: cameron.purvis at gmail.com (Cameron Purvis) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:30:58 -0500 Subject: [Tuxaloosa] New Flyer? In-Reply-To: <6f62da070908260549v169c9526p2c424e58104f3a6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f9b16920908221100k19229ad5h88235668d376ff14@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908221206t4fdd0d21lb3b0a37df2395b@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908241640g7eca9a7cu49a92dfcdcf00eee@mail.gmail.com> <3f9b16920908252020m5e000809u1cb581c262ab92d6@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070908260549v169c9526p2c424e58104f3a6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22e6c2170908260630g199eefeap5aaf7fc8668a269b@mail.gmail.com> Wouldn't it be a cool assignment: "OK, each of you is getting a TODO from an open-source application." Like a local Summer of Code thing :) On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:49 AM, E.H. wrote: > that's awesome. > maybe your professor should come too. if he's teaching *nix programming, it > might be nice for him to be able to complete the immersion by having all of > his students join a LUG mailing list... or attend a meeting. > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: > >> Excellent. Thank you! >> >> I'm going to print out some for my CS325 class. It's the third class in a >> series of programming classes centered on C++ design, with some Java. >> Anyway, we all got a 4GB USB stick with Xubuntu on it. That's our >> development environment. >> >> He has been teaching the class the basics of the Unix command line, along >> with make and subversion. All our development will be in the Linux >> environment, and as such, there will be a lot of interest generated about >> Linux in general. I've already been approached by a few interested persons >> asking me what distro I use :) >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM, E.H. wrote: >> >>> ok. >>> the flier has been updated to reflect the new (current?) location. >>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_web.jpg >>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_print.jpg >>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.pdf >>> and if anyone feels like tinkering with it, heres the ai >>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.ai >>> >>> e >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM, E.H. wrote: >>> >>>> next time im in windoze ill do it. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester >>>>> interested in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the >>>>> Crimson Caf? as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update >>>>> it to show the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Nilson Cain >>>>> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research >>>>> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nilson Cain >> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research >> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Cameron Purvis wrote: > Wouldn't it be a cool assignment: "OK, each of you is getting a TODO from > an open-source application." Like a local Summer of Code thing :) > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:49 AM, E.H. wrote: > >> that's awesome. >> maybe your professor should come too. if he's teaching *nix programming, >> it might be nice for him to be able to complete the immersion by having all >> of his students join a LUG mailing list... or attend a meeting. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: >> >>> Excellent. Thank you! >>> >>> I'm going to print out some for my CS325 class. It's the third class in a >>> series of programming classes centered on C++ design, with some Java. >>> Anyway, we all got a 4GB USB stick with Xubuntu on it. That's our >>> development environment. >>> >>> He has been teaching the class the basics of the Unix command line, along >>> with make and subversion. All our development will be in the Linux >>> environment, and as such, there will be a lot of interest generated about >>> Linux in general. I've already been approached by a few interested persons >>> asking me what distro I use :) >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM, E.H. wrote: >>> >>>> ok. >>>> the flier has been updated to reflect the new (current?) location. >>>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_web.jpg >>>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa_print.jpg >>>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.pdf >>>> and if anyone feels like tinkering with it, heres the ai >>>> http://knowledgeunderground.com/tuxaloosa.ai >>>> >>>> e >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM, E.H. wrote: >>>> >>>>> next time im in windoze ill do it. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nilson Cain wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have run into a few individuals with the start of the semester >>>>>> interested in participating in the LUG. Our current fliers still list the >>>>>> Crimson Caf? as our meeting place, so could the creator of the flier update >>>>>> it to show the Crimson Caf? as the new meeting spot? (Eric I think?) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Nilson Cain >>>>>> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, >>>>>> Research >>>>>> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>>>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>>>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nilson Cain >>> University of Alabama Office of Information Technology, Research >>> nilson at gmail.com (205) 292-5231 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TUXaloosa mailing list >>> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >>> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TUXaloosa mailing list >> TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org >> http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TUXaloosa mailing list > TUXaloosa at tuxaloosa.org > http://tuxaloosa.org/mailman/listinfo/tuxaloosa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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